I know from your article, you did also a podcast with Frank Mitloehner—is that how you pronounce it? I really mean that. Diana Rodgers: That you can’t do with a book. Chris Kresser: Right. So, I worked backwards from the problem—where does it hurt?—and then focus on what resources, especially psychological, mental resources, because I’m a psychologist, I’m a software guy. There’s a lot of time spent eating. You have some wonderful online classes and resources. And then optimize using base theorem or whatever. So, yet when I go to WeWork, which I have an office at—. So we would just be making the problem worse for about a 2 percent emission reduction. And by contrast, transportation is 27 percent. Chris Kresser: Yeah, this is a summertime podcast reality here in my home office. I mean, using gastrointestinal problems as an example, it’s not unusual for us to treat someone for SIBO, bacterial overgrowth in the small intestine, or a parasite or something like that, and then they’ll come back and say, “Well, my gut’s a lot better, but also my anxiety is gone.”. Dr. Rick Hanson: Yeah. Diana Rodgers: Yeah, WeWork, exactly. Even to, I think we struggle with our language, even to talk about this because we talk about there is the body, as if there is a body that’s apart from the mind. Why do you have to work hard to do that? So that’s 638 calories and 122 grams of carbs. It’s already affected food policy in the US and around the world which then will affect schools. Dr. Rick Hanson: Yeah, you see people. How that can super turbocharge the growth process and really steep in your growth curve through life. I mean, your story that you shared with the publisher of the China study was really revealing. And I love the fact that on the foundation of the first three, steadiness of mind, warmth, lovingness of heart and equanimity and well-being together in resting and fullness, then you go out into the deep end of the pool: being wholeness, accepting yourself fully, being mindness of whole, really coming into the present moment, the front edge of now. Like, acceptance is giving up. I think I just sent you another one that’s on its way out that I’m pretty concerned about. People are more likely to sit down at night and watch an episode of this than they are to read a book. 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So that’s the lens. I’ve read and loved Hardwiring Happiness and Resilient, your two most recent books. The neurons, let’s say, 85 to 100 billion or so on average, are making several thousand connections with each other, which gives us several hundred trillion synapses, those little microprocessors between each of the neurons inside our head right now. And you mentioned that the symptoms in the body can cause changes in mental state. So if you look at the foods that are on this list that fit that profile, there are things like chocolate milk, potato chips, French toast, waffles, ice cream, pancakes. Chris Kresser: Right. And so, to me, that’s the essence of the process. We’ve got, LA now is trying to force restaurants and LAX to provide, to tell private businesses to provide vegan entrees. Chris Kresser: Yeah. Chris Kresser: Yeah. Dr. Rick Hanson: Right. And nobody is pushing back and people are just taking this really lightly. And to blame it on meat is just wrong. It’s like you just said, they’re like, “If someone wants to be vegan, fine. I mean, there’s just so many places that really will only support grazing animals and not wheat and corn and soy production. I’m so glad I don’t live where you live. And even sometimes think that that’s the only form of spiritual or contemplative or psychological practice. And please call me Rick. So, it’s so profound and I’m so grateful for the work you’re doing in this area, because it’s really, for me, has been the thing that has transformed my life more than anything, everything that we’re talking about today. Dr. Rick Hanson: How do we weigh these different factors? Chris Kresser: They’re our distant ancestors. Why we both feel that this is important to get out there and then maybe a little update where you’re at, what you’re needing, what would be helpful. I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but on the other hand, you’d be very naïve and misguided to assume that money doesn’t play a big role in setting food policy and coming up with these laws.